# Legal Fees Expense **URL:** \ **Category:** T1\ **Created:** [April 5, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373 "2019-04-05T16:24:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![obhorst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e57/32.png) [@obhorst](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/u/obhorst)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373/1 "2019-04-05T16:24:15Z")
My customer was denied death benefits but fought and won. She has $35,000 in legal fees; at the end, a person apologized and said it should never have gone as far as it did - that she was obviously entitled to the benefit. Are the legal fees deductible? ---
**Author:** ![joe.justjoe1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/www.protaxcommunity.com/joe.justjoe1/32/220_2.png) [@joe.justjoe1](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/u/joe.justjoe1)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373/2 "2019-04-05T17:01:58Z")
You would need to investigate more about the exact nature of the Death Benefits. On its face, it seems unlikely that it would fall under S8(1)(b) or S60(o.1). More investigation of the facts needed if you want to try… ---
**Author:** ![obhorst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e57/32.png) [@obhorst](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/u/obhorst)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373/3 "2019-04-05T18:55:24Z")
Thanks, Joe. I will study those sections. I just know that after fighting CPP for 7 years, she was told she was right all along and has now been paid the benefits. ---
**Author:** ![joe.justjoe1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/www.protaxcommunity.com/joe.justjoe1/32/220_2.png) [@joe.justjoe1](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/u/joe.justjoe1)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373/4 "2019-04-05T19:08:59Z")
Are we talking about making fat-cat lawyers $35,000 richer over a spat about a CPP $2,500 death benefit (Box 18 on T4A (P ) ? ---
**Author:** ![obhorst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e57/32.png) [@obhorst](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/u/obhorst)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373/5 "2019-04-05T19:21:31Z")
I haven’t looked at the file yet - the settlement was not the $2,500 death benefit - it totalled over $50,000. and relates to the past 7 years. ---
**Author:** ![tim1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@tim1](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/u/tim1)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373/6 "2019-04-05T19:40:58Z")
Better double check with the client the breakdown of the settlement. Was any portion of it for reimbursement of legal fees? And if not did the court order the government to pay the legal fees of your client on top of the settlement? I have have had clients bring me legal fees to deduct and then later find out they were reimbursed. Good chance if you claim this it will be reviewed. ---
**Author:** ![jglass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/www.protaxcommunity.com/jglass/32/723_2.png) [@jglass](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/u/jglass)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373/7 "2019-04-05T20:55:08Z")
Yes, you need to document, document, document this one. They have reviewed every claim I’ve ever had for legal fees over about $10,000, even on multimillion dollar returns. ---
**Author:** ![obhorst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e57/32.png) [@obhorst](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/u/obhorst)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373/8 "2019-04-05T21:12:07Z")
Thanks, all for the help. CPP settled out of court on second appeal. ---
**Author:** ![dominique\_dabolczi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@dominique\_dabolczi](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/u/dominique_dabolczi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 12:03pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373/9 "2019-04-08T12:03:40Z")
I would love to know what you found in your research. The claiming of legal fees less reimbursements for the collection of wages, retiring allowances, and pension benefits is allowable within limits. However death benefit was not included in any of the links below. Here are some links that I found. [https://turbotax.intuit.ca/tips/are-all-legal-fees-fully-tax-deductible-6542](https://turbotax.intuit.ca/tips/are-all-legal-fees-fully-tax-deductible-6542) ## Legal Fees Concerning a Retiring Allowance or Pension Benefit **Your legal fees from collecting or confirming a right to a retiring allowance or pension benefit are deductible up to a certain yearly limit**. Currently, that limit is the amount of retiring allowance or pension income received in the year, minus any part of these amounts transferred to a registered retirement savings plan or registered pension plan. The legal fees you do not claim in the current year can be carried forward for up to seven years. [https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/individuals/topics/about-your-tax-return/tax-return/completing-a-tax-return/deductions-credits-expenses/line-232-other-deductions/line-232-legal-fees.html](https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/tax/individuals/topics/about-your-tax-return/tax-return/completing-a-tax-return/deductions-credits-expenses/line-232-other-deductions/line-232-legal-fees.html) you paid fees to collect (or establish a right to) a retiring allowance or pension benefit. However, you can claim only up to the retiring allowance or pension income you received in the year, **minus** any part of these amounts transferred to a registered retirement savings plan or registered pension plan. You can carry forward, for up to 7 years, legal fees you cannot claim in the year. You must **reduce** your claim by any award or reimbursements you received for these expenses. If you are awarded the cost of your deductible legal fees in a future year, include that amount in your income for that year. For more information about other legal fees you may deduct, see [Interpretation Bulletin IT-99, Legal and Accounting Fees](https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/forms-publications/publications/it99r5-consolid.html). [https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/forms-publications/publications/it99r5-consolid.html](https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/forms-publications/publications/it99r5-consolid.html) ---
**Author:** ![obhorst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e57/32.png) [@obhorst](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/u/obhorst)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 1:01pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373/10 "2019-04-08T13:01:51Z")
We will be applying the legal fees against the “Survivor Benefit” received. ---
**Author:** ![rachelavryl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ccd318/32.png) [@rachelavryl](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/u/rachelavryl)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373/11 "2020-03-07T13:20:55Z")
Hi … New Legal Fees Question… Legal fees that are deemed deductible…IT-99r5… P17… to have successfully argued for Child Support. Have appropriate legal documentation to back this up. The actual question is: Lawyer gave two receipts one for 2018 and one for 2019… Legal proceedings due to a continuance were held in both years but the decision only came in 2019 Is the taxpayer entitled to a claim in each year… or the entire fee is claimed in the year of the decision ? Your help is greatly appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![kevin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/2acd7d/32.png) [@kevin](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/u/kevin)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 1:39pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373/12 "2020-03-07T13:39:14Z")
It should not matter when the decision is made. The expense is allowed for pursuing the right to child support. I know you’re talking about child support but if there is a spousal support issue, I have been successful in having CRA allow accounting fees related to a spousal support claim by the recipient on the basis that the accountant was required to work through the numbers on which the lawyers relied. ---
**Author:** ![obhorst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e57/32.png) [@obhorst](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/u/obhorst)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2020, 3:34pm UTC](https://www.protaxcommunity.com/t/legal-fees-expense/2373/13 "2020-03-07T15:34:20Z")
We had a claim refused because we claimed it in the year the money was received. The legal fees seem to have to be applied to the period in which the income was earned, not paid.